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tell me chris what was done for your country? all i can see is your country lost a lot of young men and women for no reason at all. i mean god almighty, the gulf of tonkin incident which was said to have started the vietnam war was a lie made up by the US goverment to justify their actions, robert macnamara admits this freely; so come on, wise up americans and stop gloating about that evil chapter of american history and no im not vietnamese, im a scotsman, ex royal artillery. 40 field reg RA, kuwait 91. war is wrong, its just that sometimes we need first hand experience to realise this fully.