Chat Transcript, May 30, 1997
[Rob] joins at Thu May 29 21:41:57 1997 from 128.122.175.128
Chat Transcript, May 30, 1997
[Rob] joins at Thu May 29 21:41:57 1997 from 128.122.175.128
 | Rob=> Hello |
[wachsmut] joins at Thu May 29 21:44:54 1997 from 153.35.6.51
| wachsmut=> Hi Rob ... |
| Rob=> hi bert |
| wachsmut=> looks like we are still short ... |
| Rob=> I've had a good time playing today with Java |
| wachsmut=> Great ... you'll probably be bored out of your mind for the first week... |
| Rob=> It gives me a chance to explore a bit. No problem. |
[Yan Yu Zeng] joins at Thu May 29 21:46:30 1997 from 149.150.169.11
[Jenn] joins at Thu May 29 21:46:40 1997 from 199.174.214.69
| wachsmut=> Hi Yan Yu, what are you doing here - welcome ! |
[Don] joins at Thu May 29 21:46:49 1997 from 206.173.45.32
| Rob=> here they come |
| wachsmut=> Looks like we're filling up ... great ! |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> I just watch what happened in your chat room. |
| wachsmut=> Alright, sounds good - you're more than welcome ! |
| wachsmut=> Hi Jenn and Don, are you there ? |
[David] joins at Thu May 29 21:47:59 1997 from 151.198.127.44
| Don=> yes |
| wachsmut=> David, good to 'see' you too |
| David=> hello |
| Jenn=> Hi |
| wachsmut=> Alright, we've established contact.... |
| wachsmut=> let's wait for a few more minutes ... |
| Don=> I have a question. If I telnet to scirur from work, should I be able to run netscape mono? |
| wachsmut=> maybe somebody else will join .... |
| wachsmut=> Actually, with Telnet you can't run Graphics programs |
| wachsmut=> on sciris, remember ? |
| wachsmut=> Netscape won't work, neither will the applet viewer .... |
| wachsmut=> only 'text based' program will work with Telnet ... |
| wachsmut=> 3 more minutes, then we start for real, alright ? |
| David=> sounds good |
| Don=> yeah, but I was just testing those example from the lecture, but netscape wouldn't come up |
| wachsmut=> Right ... using Telnet, you can't start Netscape .... |
| wachsmut=> but we don't need to, at least not in the first week .... |
| Rob=> You can use telnet in to run pico and create and run Java applications |
| wachsmut=> Excatly ! That's in fact what we'll do today ..... |
| Rob=> sorry, I mean you can telnet in to ..... |
| wachsmut=> So ... might as well start with the 'Lecture' .... |
| wachsmut=> Everybody there - please say 'hi', or 'yes', or 'whatever' ... |
| Rob=> hi |
| Jenn=> hi |
| David=> Hi |
| wachsmut=> hmmmm .... Don ? |
| wachsmut=> Well ... |
| wachsmut=> Alright ... |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> Hi, You have already in old portfolios. |
| Don=> yes |
| Don=> I sent it once? |
| wachsmut=> attendence is somewhat disappointing, but here's what I want |
| wachsmut=> to do today.... |
| wachsmut=> I want to run through a couple of question |
| wachsmut=> about the first lecture .... |
| wachsmut=> please answer any time !!! |
| wachsmut=> What does every Java program start out with ? |
| David=> class name |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> Hi, world! |
| wachsmut=> and then .... |
| wachsmut=> every program start with: |
| wachsmut=> class ClassName |
| wachsmut=> { |
| wachsmut=> public static void main(String args[]) |
| wachsmut=> { ... blah blah } |
| wachsmut=> } |
| wachsmut=> } |
| David=> then, public statement |
| wachsmut=> That's *every* program ! |
| Rob=> then { |
| wachsmut=> Yes, there can be more, |
| wachsmut=> but that's the least every program *must* have .... |
| wachsmut=> Next: what are the basic data types in Java ? |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> Every application must have main(), like c and C++ |
| Rob=> The usual: int float double .... |
| David=> double |
| wachsmut=> boolean (which is not available in C++) |
| wachsmut=> Great.... here's another one .... |
| David=> char |
| wachsmut=> where do you declare a variable ? |
| David=> anywhere you want |
| wachsmut=> Great ... David's done the reading, clearly .... |
| Rob=> First real line of the program? (For good style?) |
| Don=> my send button is clogged |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> before you use var |
| wachsmut=> Type 'RETURN' instead of clickin on Send ! |
| Don=> now it seems ok |
| wachsmut=> Actually, variable can, and should, go right where you need them. |
| Rob=> ok |
| wachsmut=> Not at the beginning, not anywhere else. |
| wachsmut=> When you need a variable, declare it. There's something else |
| wachsmut=> called 'Fields', which we get to later, that is usually declared |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> class |
| wachsmut=> at the beginning of the class ... but that's for next time -:) |
| wachsmut=> Alright: What does 'x++' or 'x--' stand for ? |
| Don=> doesn't that it make it hard to see where they are defined though |
| wachsmut=> Yes, kind of true. But, if you need a varialbe somewhere in |
| Don=> subtracting or adding one to the variablex, like a counter |
| Jenn=> it adds or subtracts one from the variable |
| Jenn=> |
| wachsmut=> the program, chances are that it's not important anyway ... |
| wachsmut=> and therefore, no need to really bother anyone with it |
| wachsmut=> at the beginning. Counting variables in a loop are a |
| wachsmut=> good example .... it's pompous to declare them at |
| wachsmut=> the beginning ... big deal for nothign, don't you think ? |
| wachsmut=> And yes, Jenn, that's right, thanks ! |
| wachsmut=> Two more: |
| wachsmut=> Give me an example of how a 'for' loop starts out .... |
| wachsmut=> anything will do, as long as the syntax is right .... |
| Don=> for x = 1 to 10 |
| wachsmut=> Nope |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> for (i=0;i<=3;++i){ do sth here} |
| wachsmut=> better |
| Jenn=> for(i=1; i<=3; i++) |
| Rob=> What about declaring that i? |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> same |
| wachsmut=> Right ... thanks Jenn and Yan Yu ... let's look at that closely: |
| Don=> for (int i=0;i<10;i++) |
| wachsmut=> so you say: for (int i = 0; .... |
| wachsmut=> that means you are declaring a variable i as integer right |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> yes |
| wachsmut=> when you need it, |
| wachsmut=> and you are also initializing it to, say, 0, at that time. |
| Rob=> I don't mean to carry on this declaring business too much, but |
| wachsmut=> That's good, because chances are that the 'i' variable |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> I may declare it at begin or int i |
| Rob=> what about the next time you use a for in the same program? |
| wachsmut=> Ah, rob, good question: |
| Rob=> And want to use the same counter variable? |
| wachsmut=> every variable declared is only valid in the 'group' |
| wachsmut=> that it has been declared in. |
| wachsmut=> After that, it becomes undefined and can be reused. |
| Rob=> What's a group? |
| wachsmut=> For example: |
| Don=> as long as it's not in the same loop, he's ok right? |
| wachsmut=> Right |
| David=> different names? |
| wachsmut=> Here's an example: |
| wachsmut=> for (int i=0; i<10; i++) |
| wachsmut=> { |
| wachsmut=> System.out.println(i); |
| wachsmut=> } |
| wachsmut=> for (int i = 10; i > 0; i--) |
| wachsmut=> { |
| wachsmut=> System.out.println(i); |
| wachsmut=> } |
| wachsmut=> can all be in one class (or program) just fine. |
| wachsmut=> The first i is valid only in the first loop, the second one |
| wachsmut=> only in the second loop. |
| David=> ok |
| Rob=> Hmmm. Different than C. |
| wachsmut=> First loop counts up, second one counts down.... |
| wachsmut=> Alright, I have one more quick question: |
| wachsmut=> give me a basic 'while' loop, anything, as long as |
| wachsmut=> the syntax is right. |
| Don=> int i = 0; |
| Don=> while (i <10) |
| Don=> { |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> int i=0; while(i<=10){do sth here;i++} |
| Don=> some processing... |
| Don=> i++; |
| Don=> } |
| wachsmut=> Good.... the basic point here is that a while loop needs three |
| wachsmut=> things: |
[James McGirr] joins at Thu May 29 22:08:20 1997 from 152.173.184.218
| wachsmut=> - an initialization part outside the loop |
| wachsmut=> - a test condition |
| wachsmut=> - a modification inside the loop |
| wachsmut=> Just like Don said. |
| wachsmut=> Hi James - I'll post a transcript of the |
| wachsmut=> session when we're done, don't worry .... |
| wachsmut=> Alright, now .... I have three 'jobs' lined up, |
| wachsmut=> but first: any questions ? |
| wachsmut=> you can ask questions as well, after all -:) |
| James McGirr=> I was a little unsure of the structure of an array |
| Don=> is there a way to see the typing line and also the bottom of this screen? |
| wachsmut=> Alright, arrays are for the next lecture, to be posted tonight ! |
| wachsmut=> Maximize your screen ? |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> keep use clear |
| Don=> it is |
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| wachsmut=> Sorry, maximize the Netscape Window ? |
| wachsmut=> Oh well .... I'll 'shrink' the applet, next time it will be fine. |
[David] joins at Thu May 29 22:10:44 1997 from 151.198.127.44
| wachsmut=> It's right now sized for an 800 x 600 screen. .... |
| David=> |
| Don=> no big deal, the clear works, thanks |
| Rob=> Don, try to better position the rightmost scroll bar. |
| wachsmut=> Also, on Netscape, go to options, and 'uncheck' the buttons, location |
| wachsmut=> and directory stuff to have more room to see. |
[Rob] leaves at Thu May 29 22:11:17 1997
| wachsmut=> That's the only question ? Doing fine, then ? |
[Jenn] leaves at Thu May 29 22:11:35 1997
[Rob] joins at Thu May 29 22:11:36 1997 from 128.122.175.128
| wachsmut=> Alright ... here's your first job: |
| wachsmut=> Please wait until I say 'GO' ... |
| wachsmut=> You need to create a homepage on Sciris |
| wachsmut=> Here are the instructions: |
[Jenn] joins at Thu May 29 22:12:26 1997 from 199.174.214.69
| Jenn=> |
| wachsmut=> Keep Netscape active, but minimize it (not now !) |
| wachsmut=> start Telnet, connect to Sciris, login |
| wachsmut=> create a directory called 'public_html' in your account |
| wachsmut=> switch into that directory |
| Jenn=> i don't have a sciris account yet.. |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> How to set right path for run java on our own machine? |
| wachsmut=> start pico and create a file named 'index.html' |
| wachsmut=> Add some HTML code, save it. |
| wachsmut=> switch back to Netscape |
| wachsmut=> Now |
| wachsmut=> for help on creating HTML code, look to the menu on the left (but don't |
| wachsmut=> click on anything yet) ... |
| wachsmut=> See the 'HINT' link ? Don't use it quite yet .... |
| wachsmut=> It will tell you how to create a homepage. |
| wachsmut=> So, are you ready to roll ? |
| wachsmut=> say 'yes', or ask a question, everybody ... |
| Don=> |
| James McGirr=> yep |
| wachsmut=> Don, that's a 'yes', I assume ? |
| Don=> yes |
| Jenn=> i need an account... |
| wachsmut=> Rob, David ? |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> Question: how to set right path in order to run java in our own computer? |
| wachsmut=> Jenn, it's setup I think. |
| wachsmut=> account name should be agasjenn, password 'seton1' ... |
| Jenn=> ok |
| wachsmut=> everybody ready to create their homepage now ? |
| wachsmut=> I give you 10 minutes. Minimize Netscape, start Telnet, |
| wachsmut=> do your thing, be back here at exactly 10:28 ! |
| wachsmut=> It's now 10:17 on my watch. |
| wachsmut=> GO for it ! |
| Rob=> Hi Bert... I'm back. Do you want us to do any chmod? |
| wachsmut=> If you have questions, come back earlier, of course, and ask. |
| wachsmut=> no 'chmod' necessary, rights are correct by 'default' (I hope)... |
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| David=> my HTML needs work |
| Don=> i can't fdind telnet |
| wachsmut=> Well, check the HINT on the left side (the menu item) |
| wachsmut=> you will loggout of CHAT, but can 'Join' any time later.... |
[Jenn] leaves at Thu May 29 22:19:04 1997
| wachsmut=> go to start |
| wachsmut=> pick 'run' |
[Rob] leaves at Thu May 29 22:19:21 1997
| wachsmut=> type 'telnet.exe' |
[James] leaves at Thu May 29 22:20:06 1997
| wachsmut=> |
| wachsmut=> Don, are you login into sciris yet ? |
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| wachsmut=> David, how about you ? |
[wachsmut] leaves at Thu May 29 22:21:06 1997
| David=> someone give some simple html lines, please |
[wachsmut] joins at Thu May 29 22:21:14 1997 from 153.35.6.51
| David=> i have created index.html, but html..i will work on later |
| wachsmut=> No problem .... |
| wachsmut=> as long as you have that file, and that directory, you're okay ... |
| David=> done |
| wachsmut=> and you can add more code later - in fact, you'll have to -:) |
| wachsmut=> Alright, let's wait until the others are back .... |
[Don] leaves at Thu May 29 22:23:05 1997 (UNEXPECTED ERROR: client not found in list.)
| wachsmut=> of course, if you want to chat .... |
[Don2] joins at Thu May 29 22:23:38 1997 from 206.173.45.32
| wachsmut=> Don2 ????? |
| Don2=> I got disconnected somehow |
| Don2=> i clicked on hints and it said disconected from kitten? |
| wachsmut=> Strange, you're still on the list somehow ... |
[Jenn] joins at Thu May 29 22:24:39 1997 from 199.174.214.69
| David=> my two year old is having trouble getting to sleep tonight, its life! |
| Don2=> yeah, and i still can't find telnet |
| wachsmut=> yes, kitten is where the actual 'chat server' software runs ... |
| wachsmut=> try |
| wachsmut=> 'Start' |
| wachsmut=> pick 'RUN' |
| wachsmut=> type 'Telnet.exe' |
| wachsmut=> that did not work ?????? |
| Don2=> my fault, i'm a fool |
| wachsmut=> if you insist .... -:) |
| David=> Don, i will try sending another email to you tomorrow. |
| wachsmut=> Sure, David, or post a question, if you like.... |
| wachsmut=> Alright, time's about up.... |
| wachsmut=> who's back ? |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> I am here |
[James] joins at Thu May 29 22:26:31 1997 from 152.173.184.218
| David=> Here |
| Rob=> I'm here. |
| James=> done |
| wachsmut=> Jenn ? |
| Jenn=> i'm here |
| wachsmut=> Cool ... all successfull ? |
| James=> i think so |
| Rob=> I think so. What's the URL, so I can check it. |
| Jenn=> i think so.. |
| wachsmut=> You're new homepage is now: ... |
| wachsmut=> http://sciris.shu.edu/~username |
| wachsmut=> where 'username' is your Sciris username. |
| wachsmut=> Check it now or later, but I'll check it anyway a little |
| James=> I have a question, is there a way to use netscape on AOL |
| wachsmut=> later to see if it worked. |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> yes |
| wachsmut=> James, I think so, why not ? |
| James=> I keep getting a winsock error |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> but ,you aol must latest version |
[Don2] leaves at Thu May 29 22:29:18 1997
| wachsmut=> If you have a problem with AOL, maybe 'post' it, and I see what I can do... |
| James=> ok, thanks |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> 32 bits |
| James=> yep |
| James=> aol 3.0 |
| wachsmut=> Right now, there's three more things to do before I'll let you go. |
| wachsmut=> Again, I'll outline what I have in mind first, |
| wachsmut=> then let's see if there are any questions, |
| wachsmut=> and then that's that .... |
| wachsmut=> Alright, here we go: |
| wachsmut=> you are to create a directory called 'assign1' |
| wachsmut=> inside the directory 'public_html'.... |
| wachsmut=> then switch into the assign1 directory via the 'cd' |
| wachsmut=> command.... |
| wachsmut=> then start pico to create three Java programs, |
| wachsmut=> one after the other, of course. |
| wachsmut=> First one: named 'Test1.java' does the following: |
| wachsmut=> write a program that prints out the first 20 numbers togehter with |
| wachsmut=> their squares, in reverse order. Save that program as Test1.java in 'assign1' |
| wachsmut=> Next Task: save as 'Test2.java' in 'assign1', and create a program that |
| wachsmut=> computes the sum of the first 500 integers and prints out that |
| wachsmut=> sum only. Save as 'Test2.java' inside 'assign1'. |
| wachsmut=> Last: Create a program saved as 'Test3.java' inside assign1 that does |
| wachsmut=> the following: it starts a while loop, which starts with i = 1. |
| wachsmut=> Inside the while loop, if i is even, add 3 to i |
| wachsmut=> if i is odd, add 5 to i. |
| wachsmut=> Do this until i gets larger than 1000, and tell me what the first number |
| wachsmut=> is after i gets larger than 1000. |
| wachsmut=> Alright, you don't have to do this now, of course. It's homework. |
| wachsmut=> All clear ? (I'll post it again in the discussion area, don't worry). |
| Rob=> Seems suspiciously similar to the problems in the handout!!! |
| Rob=> ;) |
| wachsmut=> Isn't it ? |
| wachsmut=> Well, we'll start slow, but we'll end strong ! |
| wachsmut=> As for the rest of the homework: |
[Don] leaves at Thu May 29 22:35:26 1997 (UNEXPECTED ERROR: client not found in list.)
| David=> thank you for not making us do this now! |
| wachsmut=> I'll put up 'lecture2' tonight ..... |
| wachsmut=> print it, read it, understand it, post questions if any ! |
[Donny] joins at Thu May 29 22:35:53 1997 from 206.173.45.32
| Donny=> I keep getting disconnect freom kitten |
| wachsmut=> I'll ask questions on the next chat session, which is .... |
| wachsmut=> well ... |
| wachsmut=> my pick is 'Sunday' evening, any objections ? |
| James=> perfect |
| wachsmut=> I can be talked into Monday, if necessary .... |
| wachsmut=> but Sunday's preferred. |
| wachsmut=> Sunday, say, 8pm ???? |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> yes |
| Donny=> fine with me |
| wachsmut=> Any objections ? |
| Jenn=> sure |
| Donny=> sounds good |
| David=> ok |
| wachsmut=> Alright. Agreed then. |
| James=> alrighty then |
| wachsmut=> Again: |
| wachsmut=> homework is: |
| wachsmut=> create three slightly different programs |
| wachsmut=> print and read the lecture |
| wachsmut=> the lecture - hi, hi, hi - contains 3 or 4 other programs, of course |
| wachsmut=> do those, if you can, or post questions if you can't |
| wachsmut=> link all programs into your homepage |
| Donny=> did you say this chat will be posted? |
| wachsmut=> and I'll see you back on Sunday, 8pm (hopefully everybody in time -:) |
| Rob=> Quick question... what's the convention about upper and lower case... for example, what about variables? |
| wachsmut=> Now, time for 'general questions, griping, and more ''' |
| James=> It took me 30 min to log into AOL |
| David=> links to these programs in homepage? |
| wachsmut=> Java's case sensitive ! |
| Rob=> But is there a convention regarding, for example variables? |
| wachsmut=> For help on HTML, check the 'HINT' on the left side of your screen .... |
| wachsmut=> Oh, I see ... sorry... |
| Jenn=> how do you link the programs to your homepage again? |
| wachsmut=> well, my preference is |
| wachsmut=> variables start out with small letters, but for a combined word |
| wachsmut=> I capitalize the next work, as in 'int myScore = 10'. That seems to |
| wachsmut=> be what most people do. |
| wachsmut=> Classes are usually capitalized, |
| wachsmut=> method names (whatever that is) start small, and |
| wachsmut=> if a combined word, second part is capitalized, as in 'main' (all small), |
| wachsmut=> or in 'toString' (later) |
| Rob=> ok... thanks. |
| wachsmut=> and often, input parameters start with an underscore, as in: |
| wachsmut=> convertToInteger(_x) |
| David=> whado you mean by linking programs in homepage |
| wachsmut=> alright, as to the links: |
| wachsmut=> you have now (hopefully) a homepage on Sciris |
| wachsmut=> at the URL 'http://sciris.shu.edu/~yourname |
| wachsmut=> You have created a file called 'index.html' in the 'public_html' directory |
| wachsmut=> on sciris. |
| wachsmut=> Then, in that file 'index.html', you should add links such that |
| wachsmut=> when someone click on the link for 'program 1', your source code for |
| wachsmut=> program 1 (which works correctly) will appear. |
| wachsmut=> Such a sample 'index.html' file you can find when you |
| wachsmut=> click on the left side of your screen (the menu for this class), |
| wachsmut=> and pick the link titled 'HINT' .... it has a brief explainaintion for what |
| wachsmut=> to do .... |
| wachsmut=> Well, good thing I can type fast -:) |
| wachsmut=> Alright, all set to go - or rather, to leave ? |
| David=> good night all |
| wachsmut=> Any more questions ? I'll be sticking around for anouther 5 or 10 |
| Yan Yu Zeng=> bye! |
| Donny=> will the entire chat be posted? |
| Jenn=> good nite! |
| wachsmut=> minutes, but feel free to leave any time. |
[James] leaves at Thu May 29 22:45:21 1997
| wachsmut=> Yes, I'll post the entire 'transcript' (If all the technology worked out ....) |
| wachsmut=> Night everybody ... thanks for coming ! |
| Donny=> thanks |
| Rob=> thanks... |
[James] joins at Thu May 29 22:46:02 1997 from 152.173.184.218
| James=> where is the transcript for this chat going to be located? |
[Donny] leaves at Thu May 29 22:46:32 1997
| wachsmut=> good questions ... I'll post in on the bulletin |
| wachsmut=> board, so people can 'reply' to it, if they want |
| wachsmut=> I mean the 'discussion' area, sorry ... |
| David=> understood |
[Yan Yu Zeng] leaves at Thu May 29 22:47:11 1997
[Jenn] leaves at Thu May 29 22:47:32 1997
| wachsmut=> Alright, anything else I can help you out with, before you'll start |
| wachsmut=> reading the next lecture, do the assignment, get - hopefully not - |
| wachsmut=> frustrated .... ? |
| Rob=> challenged. |
| wachsmut=> Well, so far I hope not really ... neither frustrated nor challanged ! |
| James=> good night |
[James] leaves at Thu May 29 22:49:53 1997
| Rob=> I've got my page up, the assign directory created, and some test progs in place |
| wachsmut=> Well, that's why they call you 'Professor' !!!!!! |
| Rob=> but the links aren't happening.... I did this fast, so it's likely that I've made a |
| Rob=> stupid error |
| wachsmut=> Also, make sure the programs exist first of all .... |
| Rob=> So much for PROFESSOR!! |
| Rob=> The exist in assign in public_html |
| wachsmut=> Is it 'assign' or 'assign1' ? |
| Rob=> hmmmmm |
| Rob=> I'll be right back. |
| wachsmut=> Aha !!!! |
| wachsmut=> Yep, that's it. |
| wachsmut=> Your directory is 'assign', but your links refer to 'assign1' ... |
| wachsmut=> See ... that's the good thing having all your stuff on 'sciris' ... I can check |
| Rob=> ARGH. Well that saved me some time.... thanks.. |
| wachsmut=> up on everything ! |
| wachsmut=> Alright, Seinfeld is calling .... |
| Rob=> Ok.. I'm off. Good night. |
[Rob] leaves at Thu May 29 22:53:12 1997
| wachsmut=> Talk to everybody later, then .... bye !!!!! |
| wachsmut=> Feel free to use this chat area any time you like, for your own |
| wachsmut=> discusssion, if you want .... |
| wachsmut=> Bye now ..... |
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| wachsmut=> Your last chance to ask me anything .... |
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